China’s Bubble

Posted by Ray on December 31, 2009 under Main | Be the First to Comment

Everyone is on bubble watch nowadays, me included, as central banks flood their respective countries with mountains of money. While the US has done a ton of printing of dollars it is often overlooked that the Chinese have also printed a ton of Yuan as well. While there are definite differences in the economies of the US and China, we could argue those difference all day long, the one thing we could all agree on is that China a lot of flaws in its system. I would counter by saying their flaws are probably pretty severe, but no worse than the US.

Regardless, I have been reading a lot about the bubble in China, especially in their real estate prices. I do not doubt that as property values have gone parabolic in the country, some areas make the peak price increases in the US look like pathetic in comparison, but is it the same bubble that the US had? The answer is, no one really knows for sure because the data is spotty at best. My guess is that the price bubble is probably worse than the US, but I am willing to bet that mortgage fraud, home equity loans, securitization and the host of other issues that basically collapsed the world economy are not the same, at all.

So, at the end of the day, we will see a price collapse in China which will lead banks to have losses on their books, but it will end there. It will likely be as bad as the early 1990’s in the US banking system compared to the 2008 collapse that the US had and it will more than likely not spread globally like the US credit collapse did. However, it is problematic for the world to have the second, it surely has beat out Japan by now, largest economy approach a huge bubble so early in its quest for world domination, especially when it is the manufacturing center of the world.

If the bubble pops, which it will, it will take capital to fix which means that money will not be loaned out to manufacturers. When that happens the cost of capital will increase driving up prices which means your trip to Walmart will not be as cheap as it once was, especially if Washington forces the Chinese to strengthen its Yuan as well. That will be a problem for us and the rest of the world as China led the world out of the recession, if you believe it is actually over that is, so if China contracts it will lead the world right back into a recession, or make the one we are in even worse.

It is just interesting that Americans always assume that everyone acts like they do and spend all of their money. The Chinese are fanatical savers and it is highly unlikely that they would leverage their home, i.e. home equity loans or lines of credit, to buy junk they simply do not need like Americans do. I remember when Lay’s potato chips were trying to make headway into China and one women interviewed said why would I spend that kind of money on that when the same money can buy me potatoes for a month? That is their mentality and they do not spend what we do not have and pay for it later like what we do, that is what I admire about their culture. This is why if or when the bubble pops it will be a major problem, but nothing like what we saw here or in Europe.

With that in mind I am not crazy about investing in China because I believe that the bubble will pop and it will slow their growth down dramatically. Depending how the government handles the issue it could be a nonevent or a huge problem with, believe it or not, political instability. Plus, so much money has flowed into China through BRIC’s it is kind of crazy to keep money there right now. I am way more interested in India and Russia than China and Brazil, but all emerging markets have me a bit nervous because when everyone agrees that is where you should be, well, you know, do the opposite. Regardless, I believe the bubble will pop, but before the China bubble pops the US equity bubble will pop first.

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Who Wants to be Scrooge?

Posted by Ray on December 24, 2009 under Main | Be the First to Comment

I guess a few firms had to be to Scrooge given the 452K initial claims we saw this morning. Anyone expecting a larger number than we got is crazy because companies just do not or try not to fire people around the holidays. In fact, I am shocked that we saw claims as high as we saw today which reinforces my thought that the employment picture is not getting any better, I know I wouldn’t know a V shaped recovery if it hit me in the head because employment is a lagging indicator. That would be true for an inventory recession, but not for a credit collapse or do I have my type of recessions mixed up?

These initial claims and the ISM data is still not consistent with the magical -11K employment report we got in November, sorry for being a doubter. I simply do not trust government data and neither should you because the BLS along with this administration, any administration for that matter, will do anything to make themselves look better. For example, even though banks are not lending the BLS insists that 30K people started their own businesses in November, really, that is what the birth/death model says. Go back a year ago when things were really bad and the numbers are even higher, 100K+ people were starting their own businesses when the credit markets were frozen solid, so trust those BLS numbers all you want, I don’t.

To further illustrate this point, last month the BLS reduced the number of people in the work force by some 130K, they just took them out of the work force, why? Because they gave up looking for a job, or could not find one, and that is how you get a -11K employment report and massively revised prior reports. I wish we could all doctor our books like the government as we would all be rich. However, did you hear Steve Liesman tell you about how the BLS removed people from the workforce? Nope, you did not. Santelli told you about it and Santelli told you about how retail sales were doctored, but none of the other talking heads, why? I don’t have an answer, I really want to know why. I get that no one wants all bad news all the time, even I don’t want that, but I do want the truth.

My point is that last week and this week we will see soft initial claims numbers and December’s employment report will probably be OK, unless they doctor it up again. If they doctor the report, which will be unnecessary, it will be spectacular and completely unbelievable which will be the problem. Moving forward credibility will be an issue for the government, kind of like the USSR in the 1980’s when they said everything was fine and we knew it wasn’t, we are trying to do the same freaking thing. The thing is when 20% of the population is unemployed/underemployed, 1 out of 5 people, you cannot lie your way out of that and you will pay through the elections. This AM on Squawk even Liesman finally admitted that the Bush “economic recovery” was very poor and we are right where we were at the beginning of the decade. We need massive job growth, 300K+ a month now to turn this around and that is not going to happen.

The economy is bad and without government intervention there is no green shoots, period. The housing data yesterday proves that because that was the first look at housing starts without the tax credit, starts were down 11% when expectations were for +6%, ouch. That is quantifiable proof that the private sector is doing nothing right now and it is 110% government intervention growing the economy which has zero multiplier effect, it actually destroys wealth especially when your country has to borrow 100% of the money. That one data point on its own destroys the V shapers story, but if you combine it with any other data point it completely buries it. Let us not forget that if this was a V shape the Fed would have at least changed its language during the last meeting, but nope they did not even do that. Keep in mind I want out of this to, but I am just not delusional. Sure stocks are higher, but that doesn’t mean the economy is OK and in fact it means there is pain coming hard and fast somewhere along the way. Oh, where’s the volume?

Just how bad are things? Well, banks aren’t lending to the wealthy either. I spoke to a very wealthy friend of mine yesterday in Florida which is telling of what is really going on in the mortgage market right now. Now, I know how lending works, but there is simply no excuse for what he is going through right now in trying to refinance his condo in Florida, I know it is a hard hit area, but hear out the story before passing judgment. His condo was worth 7 figures before, but now in the high 6 figures and he has zero debt, $2M in cash, 790 FICO score and he is self employed. Now his self employed status is an issue because he has inconsistent income, $40K a year to $400K a year which is wild swings, but not bad considering he only wants to refinance $200K.

Here is the thing, he cannot get any financing from any bank anywhere. He wants to refi a portion of his condo, so it is totally secured, he has cash, credit, no debt and income with no bank wanting the business. Keep in mind I am not talking about a second lien where if he filed for bankruptcy the bank gets nothing, we are talking first lien here. So, how can this be if banks are ‘eager’ to lend, the credit markets are fully functional or the economy is just fine? It is not possible as this guy is prime to lend to. Now, if a bank is not going to lend to him, which is a collateralized loan I might add, then they are not going to lend to a small business or consumers in general.

All of this points to much tighter credit and much higher unemployment coming soon. Especially since banks are dumping TARP as fast as they can because they do not want to be told to lend by the administration or they want that one last big payday before the whole thing comes down. Actually, my belief is that why wouldn’t banks not want to repay TARP since they know they could get it back anytime they want. Either way, banks do not want to lend and they are not going. No lending, no growth.

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