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What’s the Frequency Kenneth?

By Ray on September 9, 2010

It is official, we live in Bizzaro World for sure. In this new normal there is no such thing as efficient markets, price discovery or any rational reason for the erratic movements in the markets from day-to-day. Just a couple days ago Europe was falling apart causing the markets to selloff hard, but today all is good again and the markets are up a couple hundred points. Bad news is now good news while horrible news is temporary, literally.

As for valuations of equities, who knows anymore, but one thing is for sure, price to earnings ratios are under attack, for the second time in a decade. I have read several stories talking about why P/E ratios are so passé and you need to measure a stock via the PEG or some other nonsense. We had this argument in 2000 and the traditional fundamental investors won that argument and I assume we will win it again. The P/E ratios are under attack because, drum roll please, earnings estimates are coming down. So much for the $90+ earnings estimates for the S&P 500 which, if those earnings per share were met, priced the forward P/E ratios, which is an absurd notion to begin with, at an attractive 12 or so right now. However, lower estimates means a higher forward P/E of say 16 or so, that is less attractive.

Fundamental analysis or value investing is about finding cheap stocks and those are getting tougher to find in today’s market. Not only that, but investors are leaving stocks, how many weeks or net outflows have we had? The outflow from equities is, I am afraid to tell you, permanent. Why? The Baby Boomers, it is that simple. They are retiring and making a fundamental, permanent, shift in their portfolios which involve less risk. That means fewer stocks for this group of investors which are the wealthiest generation, dare I say, in the history of America. I always wondered what would happen when the Boomers all started to retire, I always thought that systematic withdrawals would simply lead to wild swings in the market, never did I believe that they would just pack up and leave the market. Well, they are leaving the market after investing through 2 major crashes, plus worthless property now, in the markets they simply want much less risk. I do not blame them.

The big question is, with all this money leaving equities who is buying and why are we still at the current levels? It makes little sense, if you ditch the permabull thought process for a minute and use logic. More sellers than buyers means lower equity prices, that is always the way it worked until now. Today we have more sellers than buyers, based on net fund flows, and the averages are holding their own. We certainly have a ton of volatility, which makes the VIX seem really cheap at this level, but no real movement in the markets, either way. It simply makes no sense whatsoever and I am positioned neutral in the market right now so I have no vested interest in anything that might happen.

If we look at today’s data, for example, it was not good, mixed with the Beige Book it was horrible, we had a huge trade deficit, certainly smaller than last months, but wow, and we had 451,000 initial jobless claims. In what world were that data is good? Obviously in today’s world it is for some reason, but the facts remain that we are losing 1.85M jobs a month, through firings, almost 3 years into this mess. That is unreal. As Rosenberg points out these are the numbers we saw right after Lehman collapsed, so how is this good news? I can hear some people saying, well it is getting better or it could have been worse. Sure, but you have been saying that for a year now and it is the same, bad. At some point you have to realize that it is not going to get better anytime soon and the faster you realize it the sooner you can exit your positions, hopefully at a profit. The retail investor already figured all of this out, hence the wholesale selling of their funds.

That is what it comes down to, who is going to be able to get out before it is too late? I still find it hilarious that market pundits still preach the bull market is here and the sky is the limit for equities. These are the same people who never saw the tech bubble or the housing bubble, both times saying ‘this time is different,’ but now they claim they can see bubbles and everything is now a bubble, gold, bubble, treasuries, bubble, stocks, undervalued. Have you ever noticed that stocks are ALWAYS undervalued? Sorry, but we played this game before and the only one that loses are the investors while the pundits are still on TV making huge money while, clearly, being subpar at their chosen profession.

The bottom line is that computers are running the markets now. This explains the huge outflows from funds and the sideways movements of the markets as computers get the advantage of liquidity rebates and sub-penny pricing. In this environment I cannot explain bad news sending stocks higher other than computers taking over. I have nothing against them, I think they are a problem, but at the same time what kind of advantage does the ordinary investor have competing against algorithms that react in milliseconds. Yes, one can make money, but this action really screws up price discovery and creates a false sense of confidence because we could have another flash crash when the computers decide to back away, again. This is also, in my opinion, another reason why investors are moving away from stocks and heading to bonds, precious metals and dividend yielding stocks.

Based on what I have seen I am not interested in trading right now. I have a select few investments, precious metals and that is it. I had some nice trades, leveraged treasuries and more gold from the beginning of August, but have moved out of those positions. I see no value in this market and think it is merely a matter of time before we see a major move lower, but who knows when that will be. When we have that move lower I believe that will be the time to buy and only then might we see the retail investor come back to stocks. However, they will not be chasing growth stocks rather stocks that pay dividends. I do believe that when the selling subsides we will see a crackdown on HFT, but it will have been too late, as always. Boring is back and that is a good thing, but until we get true price discovery there is little sense to chase this market and those that do will get hurt.

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It is getting ugly out there

By Ray on April 22, 2010

Earnings for 1Q10 actually look OK, depending what companies you look at, but there seems to be some weakness in top line revenue, which is what I thought would happen. Even with a few firms not reaching their revenue estimates the EPS seems to look positive. What it looks like is companies are still living off of cost cutting measures which mean that new hiring will be sparse at best. The weekly initial jobless claims still look exceptionally weak, 456K this week which was down from 480K last week, which shows firms are still laying people off, not a good sign, even though there is some stabilization in the claims data. Essentially, we have stabilized from really bad to just bad on the jobs front.

The big issue of the day is Greece, their 10 year is now at 8.7% and rising and the 3 year is at 11%, as they have been caught, again, lying about their debt to GDP. The other PIIGS are also moving into the limelight, Portugal, Italy and Ireland specifically, which is also not a good sign. Why is Greece such a big deal? It is because European banks own a ton of this debt, private banks and central banks, for instance, France holds $781B on such debt and the CDS spread on their debt is rising because of their exposure. In other words, this could be a trigger for another banking crisis and governments are low to out of bullets to fight another crisis.

Existing housing numbers just came out, for March, and the numbers are up 6.8%, but it is because of the closure of the tax credit at the end of April. However, inventories are building, again, which means there will be some downward pressure on home prices in the near future. I am afraid that we are far from a healthy housing market and in my opinion, the government needs to let prices fall in order to clear the inventory and to have real price discovery for real estate. Inventories in the existing housing market is simply too high at well over 3M which, compared to the 5.28M run rate, is terribly high getting closer to a full years worth of inventory waiting to be sold. This is not even looking at the new construction data which will add a significant amount of supply to the market. We need less housing and the only way to clear that inventory is to let prices fall, but that will never happen and look for another extension of the home buyers tax credit.

What is interesting is that banks are reporting stellar earnings, but prices on homes are down, inventory is building and commercial real estate is, literally, blowing up. The question is, how can earnings be so good when the assets are or should be declining in value? Answer, suspension of mark-to-market. Essentially, banks are now practicing the same accounting gimmicks as Enron by using mark-to-model (make believe), but this is legal because the FASB allows it… unreal.

There is little question that the data is getting better, but when we look at why and what levels the data is getting better it is disturbing to say the least. While the numbers are better, the term “better” is a relative term in itself, and we have stabilized from horrible to just bad. In my opinion, all the elements of a double dip or even another serious banking crisis exist in the markets. If we went back to real accounting or factor in a Greece default the markets would get hammered as this would show we have climbed too fast and risk is not priced into this market at all. The longer we refuse to acknowledge the bad debts on the banks books or a default from any of the PIIGS the worse the inevitable correction will be.

While I am bearish on the overall market, mainly due to valuation, I like many sectors of the market. I am partial to biotech, high yield dividend stocks – i.e. MO, PM, VZ, T, etc. – esoteric no correlated assets – frontier markets, country specific ETF’s, precious metals, etc. – and I like bonds, deflation is here folks. I do own MO and PM, I also do not like ‘talking my book,’ but own several biotech’s and PBE, biotech ETF. In my opinion one should be very careful as we are once again looking at new ways to value stocks, this is what they did in 1999. If you cannot value stocks using older methods like P/E multiple and so forth it is not worth owning, in my opinion. I see little real value plays in this market and there is no need to jump into this market right now, your patience will be rewarded. I think one should hold core holdings, dividend paying stocks, high grade bonds and some cash. Cash may be king at the end of the day.

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